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Re: iexos-100 wobble and bad star alignment

Don Ivie
 

Is this video legit? I mean like is there something official from ES in either video or written form?
 


Re: iexos-100 wobble and bad star alignment

Doug Walker <espmc8@...>
 

On 12/10/2020 12:03 PM, Don Ivie via groups.io wrote:
Where is the video about backlash? I too have this issue.
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Explore Scientific iEXOS-100
Canon T1i (no mod)
Canon 18-55mm zoom lens
Canon 75-300mm zoom lens
Astromania 60mm guidescope
ZWO ASI 120MC-S
Lenovo m93 / Win10Pro
NINA, DSS, SiriL, GIMP, Phd2


Re: iexos-100 wobble and bad star alignment

Don Ivie
 

Where is the video about backlash? I too have this issue.


Re: iexos-100 wobble and bad star alignment

Wes Mcdonald
 

Matt:

1.  The iexos100 does have backlash adjustments.  There is a video somewhere, probably can find a link on the ES web site or perhaps someone can provide it.

2.  A few key points about how the mount works.

a.  The motors only know where they are because every movement made by the mount is kept track of in the firmware.  This means if you ever move the telescope with the clutches released, the mount firmware no longer knows where the mount is.
b.  Get your mount physically polar aligned.  This is a process that does not involve the telescope or motors if you are using the polar scope or tunnel.  Now you must return your telescope, by loosening the clutches and manually placing the scope, into the polar home position.  This position is one that has your scope approximately pointing at Polaris, preferably with a 45' offset from the center of the eyepiece.  Now is the time to power the mount.  At powerup the PMC8 assumes the telescope is pointing at polar home.
c.  The 2-3 star alignment can proceed and should be closer on the stars than you experienced.  However there is no sequential improvement to the alignment star positions...each star will have about the same error until the process is complete and Explorestars does the calculation for the virtual alignment.  At that point subsequent goto performance will be better
d.  Goto performance can be wrecked by mislevel in the east-west direction, I call this tilt.  Tip (north-south) is removed by the polar alignment.  In principle mislevel is accounted for in the 2-3 star alignment, buy in general I suggest you try to get the mount level before doing the alignment.
e.  If you have DEC home error, that is you have the scope twisted a bit off if the RA axis when you begin the 2-3 star alignment, this error is not removed by the 2-3 star alignment.  
f.  If the telescope is mounted on the saddle with a bit of tip, called cone error, this will affect your gotos.  This tip is not removed by the 2-3 star alignment.
g.  If you are using Explorestars with a 2-3 star alignment, you must understand the mount is being driven while in P (point) mode to maintain pointing despite polar alignment error.  For visual this is great.  But for photography it might not be great, as P mode does corrections 5 times per second.  For photography one needs to place the unit into T (track) mode.  In T mode the RA motor runs at sidereal rate exactly, while the DEC axis does not move.  If there is polar alignment error the object will drift on the field of view.  
h.  One way around some of this is to use short focal length telescopes.  
i.  Also be sure to use the SYNC button once you center your scope on a desired object.  Explorestars takes this to be the correct position and uses this knowledge to point the scope subsequently.  The result is that most. if not all, of the PA error etxc is removed FOR A POSITION NEAR WHERE THE SYNC WAS DONE.   So gotos to nearby objects should be good.

These points will help I think.

Wes.


On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:04 AM Yorksman <harry@...> wrote:
Yes, I have successfully manually slewed after having a 'good enough' polar alignment. I had exactly the same problem as you did so I selected Pleiades in ExploreStars, the slew was way off but then respositioned by hand and then pressed the 'T' buttons. This was a 30 sec exposure, seems to track well enough. First ever shot at the stars. I expect if I wanted longer exposures, I had better get a better polar alignment. I think the polar alignment just aligns the mount and lets the electronics know where it is. The telescope is quite separate until you move it and sync it with something. "Way off" is something one hears often for the first slew or two, but tracking works well enough. Have a go.


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Wes, Southport NC
EXos2-GT PMC-8, iExos 100
ES ED 127, 10" LX200GPS+wedge, Astro-Tech 8" Newt, ETX-90, 60mm no-name guide scope ~ 260mm FL
Polemaster, Orion ST-80 and SAG, ZWO 290MM, D5300 astro modified
Nina, Bootcamped Mac Mini control computer, RDP to iMAC
110 amp hour lead acid deep discharge battery for field power
Electrical Engineer, Retired


Re: iexos-100 wobble and bad star alignment

brian skinner
 

Hi, at present I reasonably polar align using the IEXOS100 Polar Scope but accept it only gives a "rough alignment" however I do manage at least 2 minute exposures without trailing. However I do also 3 star align rather than 2 which does improve slewing accuracy.
Obviously also the longer your focal length the narrower the FOV which does often mean your target is or can be outside of your live camera view. To help on this I do recommend a red dot finder scope.
Kind regards, Brian 
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Brian Skinner
iEXOS100
Canon 1300d dslr
Various lenses
ES Polar scope
Sequator image stacker
PIXR image editor


Re: iExos 100 Reset to Factory Defaults #iEXOS-100

Bob Rucker <javaruck@...>
 

Wes,

I reached that conclusion as well. Luckily support has been awesome and the new part will arrive tomorrow. 

Bob

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 9:05 AM Wes Mcdonald <wesmcd6@...> wrote:
Bob:

For the moment the unit must be connected to serial to get it to go back from serial to wifi.  Just the way it is.  Maybe different one day.

Wes.


--
Wes, Southport NC
EXos2-GT PMC-8, iExos 100
ES ED 127, 10" LX200GPS+wedge, Astro-Tech 8" Newt, ETX-90, 60mm no-name guide scope ~ 260mm FL
Polemaster, Orion ST-80 and SAG, ZWO 290MM, D5300 astro modified
Nina, Bootcamped Mac Mini control computer, RDP to iMAC
110 amp hour lead acid deep discharge battery for field power
Electrical Engineer, Retired


Re: iExos 100 Reset to Factory Defaults #iEXOS-100

Wes Mcdonald
 

Bob:

For the moment the unit must be connected to serial to get it to go back from serial to wifi.  Just the way it is.  Maybe different one day.

Wes.


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Wes, Southport NC
EXos2-GT PMC-8, iExos 100
ES ED 127, 10" LX200GPS+wedge, Astro-Tech 8" Newt, ETX-90, 60mm no-name guide scope ~ 260mm FL
Polemaster, Orion ST-80 and SAG, ZWO 290MM, D5300 astro modified
Nina, Bootcamped Mac Mini control computer, RDP to iMAC
110 amp hour lead acid deep discharge battery for field power
Electrical Engineer, Retired


Re: iexos-100 wobble and bad star alignment

Yorksman
 

Yes, I have successfully manually slewed after having a 'good enough' polar alignment. I had exactly the same problem as you did so I selected Pleiades in ExploreStars, the slew was way off but then respositioned by hand and then pressed the 'T' buttons. This was a 30 sec exposure, seems to track well enough. First ever shot at the stars. I expect if I wanted longer exposures, I had better get a better polar alignment. I think the polar alignment just aligns the mount and lets the electronics know where it is. The telescope is quite separate until you move it and sync it with something. "Way off" is something one hears often for the first slew or two, but tracking works well enough. Have a go.


Re: Astrophotography Done with the iEXOS-100, EXOS 2, and G11 Post your Pictures and Details! Lets Show What These Mounts Can Do. #G11 #astrophotography #iEXOS-100 #EXOS2

Jennifer Shelly
 

Tim:

Nice image of the Horsehead.  Perhaps the green color is a result of using the wrong Bayer pattern when debayering.  
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Sincerely,

Jennifer Shelly
AstroPorch, VA

Mounts
: ES PMC-8 G-11, ES PMC-8 iEXOS-100
Scopes: ES ED127 FCD-100, Askar FRA 400, ES Levy Comet Hunter, ES N208CF, QHY Mini Guide Scope, Solomark F60 Guide Scope
Cameras: QHY600M, QHY128C, QHY168C
Misc: MoonLite CFL 2.5 / High Res Stepper / V2 Mini Controller, Baader SteelTrack NT / SteelDrive II, Baader UFC, Optolong 2" L-Pro / L-eNhance, QHY CFW3-L, Baader 2” LRGBSHO CCD
Imaging Software:  NINA, APT, SharpCap Pro
Processing Software: PixInsight, Lightroom, Premiere Elements


Re: iExos 100 Reset to Factory Defaults #iEXOS-100

Matt Hallett
 

Think I had exactly the same issue when I recently got my iExos-100.

You have to be able to plug the mount into a PC/Mac, run the config program and then switch the "Connection" option back to UDP. Then it will (should) get picked up by the ExploreStars app straight away. 

You *might* be able to still do that if you can connect wirelessly to the mount's local wi-fi from a laptop. If the config program can see your mount over wi-fi then you might still be able switch it back to UDP.

However, if you can't plug the mini-USB in then I think you're stuck until the new part arrives.

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Mount: iexos-100 with PMC-8
Scopes: Startravel 102
Camera:  Nikon D7500
Software: Deep Sky Stacker, Siril, Photoshop


iexos-100 wobble and bad star alignment

Matt Hallett
 

Hello,

Pretty new to astrophotography but many years experience in regular photography. Very steep learning curve this year has taken me from a regular DSLR/lens/tripod and shooting at high ISO to minimise star trail, to the IEXOS-100 goto mount, Sky-watcher Startravel 102mm scope lens and multi-minute exposures with lights, darks and stacking.

Tried out the mount a few days ago and noticed two pretty fundamental issues (I think), which I'd appreciate advice on.

First up, when I was positioning the mount for polar alignment I noticed it was quite wobbly on both the right asc and dec axis. Definitely some visible play when I put a little bit of pressure on the mount. Presume there must be some gears and cogs that can be tightened up to remove that level of play. Any pointers on where and how would be great.

And then after polar aligning (roughly but still relatively accurately) I did a two star alignment test. However, the mount was way off in its initial auto alignment. And when I say "way off" I mean I tried to align at Vega but the scope was pointing closer to Mizar/Alioth. I did a manual adjustment to get it pointing at the correct star but then when I did a goto test to Andromeda galaxy it wasn't even slightly close. It ended up pointing me somewhere closer to Capella!

Entirely willing to accept this is down to user error. I checked my lat/long coordinates and they're correct. As mentioned, the scope was pretty closely polar aligned (yes, I could have been more accurate but the margin of error wasn't enough to account for the error in the goto pointing).

So first up I'm wondering if the axis wobble and the poor alignment are related. Is the mount thinking it's tracking to the right point in the sky but there's so much wobble and slip that the gears don't actually turn the mount far enough? Or is is a software issue, or maybe I've just entered the wrong details, so the scope thinks I'm in a completely difference place in the world?

Secondly, if I can't get the goto bit working properly can I still just use the mount to track "dumb" and follow the celestial object that way, assuming I'm more accurate in my initial polar alignment?

Any advice for a newbie would be well received.

#alignment #astrophotography #ExploreStars #iEXOS-100 #polaralignment

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Mount: iexos-100 with PMC-8
Scopes: Startravel 102
Camera:  Nikon D7500
Software: Deep Sky Stacker, Siril, Photoshop


Re: Astrophotography Done with the iEXOS-100, EXOS 2, and G11 Post your Pictures and Details! Lets Show What These Mounts Can Do. #G11 #astrophotography #iEXOS-100 #EXOS2

Timothy Myers
 

SW 100ED, not sure why mine came out with the green tint, I can force it to go red but green is what it wants to be. That image was with the L-eNhance filter and using APP to process the Ha-OIII into a color RBG image. Also tried separating the Ha and OIII plus a mono for Luminence, same colors. Ended up with 42 x 240s, 139G, 21Offset and -15C, 30 darks, 20 flats and 20 dark flats.
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Tim Myers

Telescopes:           Celestron 4SE, Celestron 8SE, SkyWatcher 100ED Pro
Mounts:                 4-5 SE, 6-8SE, EXOS-2GT with PMC-Eight
Cameras:               ASI1600MC Imaging Camera, Cooled, ASI120 Guide Camera
Focuser:               ZWO EAF
Scope Mini PC:    Topton Pentium
Laptop:                 Lenovo
Software:             CDC, SharpCap Pro, NINA, PHD2


Selling all my stuff including the EXOS2-GT Mount....everything as in one sale.. going to a different hobby

Kevin Rea <kevinrea2050@...>
 

Hi guys,
A big lot for sale, 
One Price $1900.00
https://www.facebook.com/groups/TelescopeTrader/permalink/1716300788542863/?sale_post_id=1716300788542863

Kevin Rea
Lancaster, Calif.


Re: Astrophotography Done with the iEXOS-100, EXOS 2, and G11 Post your Pictures and Details! Lets Show What These Mounts Can Do. #G11 #astrophotography #iEXOS-100 #EXOS2

Jeff Snell
 

Nice Tim!  Which scope did you use?

Jeff


On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Timothy Myers <tim_s_myers@...> wrote:

My IC434

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Tim Myers

Telescopes:           Celestron 4SE, Celestron 8SE, SkyWatcher 100ED Pro
Mounts:                 4-5 SE, 6-8SE, EXOS-2GT with PMC-Eight
Cameras:               ASI1600MC Imaging Camera, Cooled, ASI120 Guide Camera
Focuser:               ZWO EAF
Scope Mini PC:    Topton Pentium
Laptop:                 Lenovo
Software:             CDC, SharpCap Pro, NINA, PHD2


Re: Astrophotography Done with the iEXOS-100, EXOS 2, and G11 Post your Pictures and Details! Lets Show What These Mounts Can Do. #G11 #astrophotography #iEXOS-100 #EXOS2

Timothy Myers
 

My IC434


--
Tim Myers

Telescopes:           Celestron 4SE, Celestron 8SE, SkyWatcher 100ED Pro
Mounts:                 4-5 SE, 6-8SE, EXOS-2GT with PMC-Eight
Cameras:               ASI1600MC Imaging Camera, Cooled, ASI120 Guide Camera
Focuser:               ZWO EAF
Scope Mini PC:    Topton Pentium
Laptop:                 Lenovo
Software:             CDC, SharpCap Pro, NINA, PHD2


Re: Astrophotography Done with the iEXOS-100, EXOS 2, and G11 Post your Pictures and Details! Lets Show What These Mounts Can Do. #G11 #astrophotography #iEXOS-100 #EXOS2

Jeff Snell
 

Tonight’s work...Bubble Nebula, M52 and surrounding area.

60x180s ISO 1600, 20 dark, 20 bias, Canon T5i astromodified
ESED80 APO
PMC Eight Serial Connection
PHD2, APT


On Nov 30, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Barry <barryburn61@...> wrote:


I was inspired by a post in a Facebook group to seek out Kemble's Cascade the other night. It is a little too large for my camera so I decided to have a go at a mosaic, my first proper one.
I took 15 panels using SharpCap Live Stacking option of 5 minutes with 16s exposures. I didn't realise until afterwards that you are supposed to capture darks in advance and apply it via pre-processing so I created darks afterwards and applied via PIPP. Probably not the best way, I'll try to remember next time.
Anyway, this is the result after assembling by hand in GIMP and then doing some level stretching, colour enhancing and start brightening in GIMP. Equalizing the background wasn't too easy in GIMP but some messing with colour channel levels seems to have helped.
Anyway, here's my result. I may have another shot at it or maybe just fill in some more stars in the current one but I'm definitely going to seek out the other two Kemble targets.

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South Wales, UK
Mount
: EXOS2 PMC-Eight 
Scope: Skywatcher 130/650 F5 
Camera:  ZWO ASI462MC
<Kembles Cascade.jpg>


Re: Newb issues after firmware, ExploreStars Data Base update #iEXOS-100 #Android

Wes Mcdonald
 

Joe

The pmc stays in WiFi until changed.  My guess is that when you were fooling with the cm originally you changed the thing to serial.  

Maybe one day this will be easier to know and change.

Glad you got it.  It had to be one of the three ways. I forgot to mention serial!

Wes



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Wes, Southport NC
EXos2-GT PMC-8, iExos 100
ES ED 127, 10" LX200GPS+wedge, Astro-Tech 8" Newt, ETX-90, 60mm no-name guide scope ~ 260mm FL
Polemaster, Orion ST-80 and SAG, ZWO 290MM, D5300 astro modified
Nina, Bootcamped Mac Mini control computer, RDP to iMAC
110 amp hour lead acid deep discharge battery for field power
Electrical Engineer, Retired


Re: Help needed with Losmandy G11 Pmc8 System. #G11

Jennifer Shelly
 

Sunil:

Glad you figured out part of the problem was the grease.

Do you have the original worm and blocks or have you upgraded to the one piece worm block?  I assume you have the original worm and blocks.  If that is the case then adjusting these can be tricky because you have to loosen both blocks and keep even pressure while you pinch, pivot, and tighten the bolts up again.  This important because you want to make sure the blocks are square with one another and the pressure on the worm making contact with the bearings is enough so you will not have any side to side play.  

I suggest checking for side to side play before committing to the adjustment.  You will need the remove the top plate to expose the worm and blocks for each axis. Then with the clutches locked grab the counterweight bar and move it from side to side while watching the worm and the blocks.  If you see any side to side play then you will need to pinch both worm blocks with your fingers, slightly loosen the block that is farthest from the motor, pinch the blocks a little harder, and tighten the worm block.  Be careful not to shift the worm block up/down or twist.  Keep the block steady. Check again for side to side play.  If the side to side play is eliminated then that may be all you need to do.  If not repeat the process until the side to side play is eliminated.

If there is no side to side play then the worm is likely out of mesh with the wheel.  That involves slightly loosening both blocks while pinching them together, slightly pivoting the blocks upwards towards the side farthest from the motor, and tightening the worm blocks while holding and pinching the blocks.  You will wish you have three hands.  If you have someone who can help loosen and tighten the worm blocks for you that will save you from some frustration.  You will need to manually rotate the axis by hand to check for binding.  If any area of the manual rotation become difficult to do by hand then you will have to adjust your pivot downwards.  If it seems too easy to rotate by hand or if the worm seems too far from the wheel then you will have to adjust your pivot upwards.  You will likely have to do many iterations to get it right.

I hope this helps and good luck.
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Sincerely,

Jennifer Shelly
AstroPorch, VA

Mounts
: ES PMC-8 G-11, ES PMC-8 iEXOS-100
Scopes: ES ED127 FCD-100, Askar FRA 400, ES Levy Comet Hunter, ES N208CF, QHY Mini Guide Scope, Solomark F60 Guide Scope
Cameras: QHY600M, QHY128C, QHY168C
Misc: MoonLite CFL 2.5 / High Res Stepper / V2 Mini Controller, Baader SteelTrack NT / SteelDrive II, Baader UFC, Optolong 2" L-Pro / L-eNhance, QHY CFW3-L, Baader 2” LRGBSHO CCD
Imaging Software:  NINA, APT, SharpCap Pro
Processing Software: PixInsight, Lightroom, Premiere Elements


Re: Newb issues after firmware, ExploreStars Data Base update #iEXOS-100 #Android

Joe Izen
 

Wes,

he only way I can get Com3 set is to restart CM with the USB cable plugged in.  I can unplug after CM restart, but plugging the cable in after restarting CM w/o cable doesn’t make COM3 appear.

UDP and TCP failed. Finally got ESGV response on serial after a reboot of the bount with USB plugged into PC. Issued ESX. Then diconnected PC wifi, reconnected Fire, and mount is responding.

Disconnected Fire from mount. Reconnected PC to wifi, and now explorestars on PC can also control the mount.

Victory!

Sober reflections after hallway dance concluded. Is the upshot that everyone should carry a USB mini cable and a PC with them in the field, even if they use a tablet?  What caused this problem?  The last time I used my mount was during the summer, and there was no problem with wifi control.  It’s only recent that I even own a PC. How would a Mac user fix the settings without a PC, if it is the wifi udp setting which is bad?

Joe


On Dec 7, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Wes Mcdonald via groups.io <wesmcd6@...> wrote:

Joe

Windows 10 will connect ok to the iexos 100 adhoc it seems.   Has issues with the exos2 tho.   

So make sure tablet WiFi is off.  Disconnect iexos from pc.  Reboot iexos.  When it boots join the network.  Cm should show green pmc8 connection on bottom.  On cm connection tab set mount type and set comm port to comm3.  If comm3 is. It visible press refresh and the. Select comm 3.  Then try find button.  

If it cannot find the mount go to the advanced tab.  Set the radio button to tcp.  Send ESGv command with button see do you get a response.  If not light up the udp radio button and try again. 

Assuming you get an ESGv reply on tcp you can then send an esx! Command via tcp that will reboot the iexos in udp mode

If neither connect, try using the serial button and ESGv. If that works then send the esx via serial

Try this and get Back to me

Wes



On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:41 PM Joe Izen <joe@...> wrote:
Wes,

7       EVT:503-Checking COM3.
EVT:505-Propeller chip version 1 found on COM3.
EVT:506-Loading RAM
EVT:507-Verifying RAM
EVT:508-Programming EEPROM
EVT:509-Verifying EEPROM
INF:451-Success.
6       Path to EEPROM: "C:\Users\joe\OneDrive\Documents\PMC8Firmware\1A01C_10B_5.eeprom"
5       Path to Propellent.exe:"C:\Program Files (x86)\Explore Scientific Utilities\PMC-8 Configuration Manager 1.0.3\Propellent.exe "
4       Attempting to upload ROM: 1A01C_10B_5.eeprom
3       Firmware sucessfully unzipped
2       Unzipping firmware file.
1       Firmware files successfully downloaded to C:\Users\joe\OneDrive\Documents\PMC8Firmware\Firmware.zip
0       Downloading firmware

How do I verify mount is in UDP mode? Even though my Fire tablet says it is connected, CM reports the mount as NOT CONNECTED with Current Connection NONE.  This is through the USB cable.

In Connection Tab, 
The find Current Connection button reports
10       The mount does not appear to be connected. Please check your settings and network connection.

I see a communication Method under the Advanced tab with a UDP button. Should I connect my PC to the PMC-8 ad hoc network and push that button? Windows 10 often has problems connecting to ad hoc networks.  Thanks.


From: MAIN@ESPMC-Eight.groups.io <MAIN@ESPMC-Eight.groups.io> on behalf of Wes Mcdonald via groups.io <wesmcd6=gmail.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 7:31 AM
To: MAIN@espmc-eight.groups.io <MAIN@espmc-eight.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ESPMC-Eight] Newb issues after firmware, ExploreStars Data Base update #iEXOS-100 #Android
 
Joe

I presume you are using the Fire Tablet and Explorestars.  Is the mount position correctly displayed on the main screen?  It sounds like the tablet is not connected to the mount.

The Configuration manager settings are not really important to the mount, except for one thing.  You must leave the mount in UDP mode for EXplorestars.  If you changed it to TCP EXplorestars will not work.  Try connecting via the CM and ensure the mount is in UDP.

Wes.




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Wes, Southport NC
EXos2-GT PMC-8, iExos 100
ES ED 127, 10" LX200GPS+wedge, Astro-Tech 8" Newt, ETX-90, 60mm no-name guide scope ~ 260mm FL
Polemaster, Orion ST-80 and SAG, ZWO 290MM, D5300 astro modified
Nina, Bootcamped Mac Mini control computer, RDP to iMAC
110 amp hour lead acid deep discharge battery for field power
Electrical Engineer, Retired



--
Wes, Southport NC
EXos2-GT PMC-8, iExos 100
ES ED 127, 10" LX200GPS+wedge, Astro-Tech 8" Newt, ETX-90, 60mm no-name guide scope ~ 260mm FL
Polemaster, Orion ST-80 and SAG, ZWO 290MM, D5300 astro modified
Nina, Bootcamped Mac Mini control computer, RDP to iMAC
110 amp hour lead acid deep discharge battery for field power
Electrical Engineer, Retired


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