PMC-Eight for other mounts?
Charles Botkin
I am looking at getting the PMC-Eight to convert a non go-to mount into a go-to.
From what I have read it seems this would be a nice solution compared to building an on-step, but can encoders be used with the PMC-Eight ?
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Skull HQX
I believe ES has a kit to upgrade a Losmandy G11 with PMC-Eight GoTo capabilities. It’s not cheap, but that’s relative. Maybe you could use that? To be honest, what you want to do might be more trouble than it is worth. Unless that is something you will enjoy? Clear skies! Op vr 7 feb. 2020 om 21:47 schreef Charles Botkin via Groups.Io <charlesbotkin=yahoo.com@groups.io>
I am looking at getting the PMC-Eight to convert a non go-to mount into a go-to.
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Wes Mcdonald
The PMC8 is not integrated to encoders....have to ask Jerry if that is in the cards. The losmandy upgrade employs a TDM to manage the velocity of the shaft and has its own high res encoder not interfaced to the PMC8. At least I believe all of the above is correct. The only magic about putting in a PMC 8 on another scope would be working out the drive chain. Wes
-- Wes, Southport NC PMC-8, ES ED 127, 10" LX200GPS, Astro-Tech 8" Newt, ETX-90 Polemaster, Orion ST-80 and SAG Electrical Engineer, Retired
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I believe that the drive pulses and gear ratios can be adjusted to match almost any mount ? Or did I read the information wrong?
Doing atm work is something I do enjoy, but why would I buy the G-11 kit and not the EZOS2-GT and supply my own motors and brackets ?
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Wes Mcdonald
Charles You change the number of pulses per revolution in the app and I think in the ascom driver too.... Why would you buy a exos2-gt and put stepper motors on it and then try to purchase a PMC and interface it etc, when you can purchase the exos2-gt PMC8 as a package? Btw I don't think ES has or sells PMC8 controllers stand-alone. Tell you what. If you want to build something sweet, get yourself an exos2-gt PMC8 and build you and me the spring loaded worm modification I have designed? With that we can reduce the backlash to about zip and probably reduce the PE also. You could source kits for the community. The idea is you modify the existing worm block and machine two slides. The springs and things come from McMaster Carr. It's a snap. If you have a mill. You should probably go private on this if you are interested. Wes
-- Wes, Southport NC PMC-8, ES ED 127, 10" LX200GPS, Astro-Tech 8" Newt, ETX-90 Polemaster, Orion ST-80 and SAG Electrical Engineer, Retired
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Steve Siedentop
The PMC Eight will bolt on to a G-11 with the included mounting plates. If you’re getting a second hand G-11, do yourself a favor and get the one piece worm blocks. You will eventually have to adjust a G-11 and the two piece worm block will be exercise in frustration. The RA extension is really nice also as it lets you separate the mount into two pieces for easier transport. As far as other mounts go, you’ll need to figure out how to secure the motors to the mount. There will be other settings to configure, but I’m not at my desk right now and can’t give you any screenshots. Perhaps Jerry can chime in. A TDM is nice to have but not required. However, if you’re going to do long exposure astrophotography, you’ll need to use an autoguider or a TDM. If your setup will be portable, stick with autoguiding. -Steve
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:05 PM Wes Mcdonald <wesmcd6@...> wrote:
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Mounts: ES PMC-8 G11 with Ruland Couplers and One Piece Worm Blocks, Skywatcher NEQ-6 Scopes: ES ED127CF FCD100, Orion 6” Mak, Stellarvue SV80EDT, Coronado Solarmax 40 Cameras: CentralDS CDS-600, CentralDS Astro 60D, Orion Starshoot SSAG Msc: Moonlite Focusers, Astrozap Dew Straps, Pegasus Ultimate PowerBox Software: PixInsight, Cartes du Ciel, BackyardEOS, SkySafari
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 01:36 AM, Charles Botkin wrote:
I believe that the drive pulses and gear ratios can be adjusted to match almost any mount ? Or did I read the information wrong? Hi Charles, thanks for your question. Yes, the PMC-Eight can be configured and used on any mount as a DIY project. So for the G11 this is: 360 x 1 x 400 x 32 = 4,608,000 total counts. The arcseconds/microstep = 1,296,000 / 4,608,000 = 0.28125 arcseconds/microstep
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Jerry,
That's an interesting picture. I was trying to figure out why the worm pulley was so small, and then realized that that mount's tooth count explained it. :-)
I would think that selling DIY PMC8 kits for refurbing select mounts from other mfrs, could be a good idea, down the road. Perhaps someday move the motor counts out of the source code and into an external .xml file for both ASCOM and INDI, to facilitate?
- Bob
Mounts: ES PMC-8 EXOS2
Scopes: SV 102EDT, ZWO 60/280 Guide
Cameras: Nikon D5300, Altair GPCAM2-IMX224C
Software: ASCOM, CdC, AstroTortilla, BYN Pro, Sharpcap, PHD2 Computer: Thinkpad x230, Win7Pro/64
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 01:34 PM, Robert Hoskin wrote:
I would think that selling DIY PMC8 kits for refurbing select mounts from other mfrs, could be a good idea, down the road.Hi Bob, I can say a couple things about that, as I had the same view when I started this project 6 years ago. After numerous discussions with Scott Roberts over the years, as far as the business model that Explore Scientific has pursued in the past and our plans into the future, I can say that we have no plans to create any type of DIY kit to sell for people to retrofit other manufacturer's mounts. Being a small company, there currently is not a large enough market to sell DIY kits for the astronomical community. We will help those who wish to use their purchased systems for their own DIY projects though, and encourage this work. Our future business plan does not support the DIY market and are geared toward selling complete systems. The CGE PMC-Eight mount was an experiment to see what was involved with designing a retrofit drive system. We have it in service and the initial measurement of the native PE is very good at around 3 arcseconds RMS. Thanks Jerry Hubbell Vice President of Engineering Explore Scientific, LLC. jrh at explorescientific.com www.explorescientificusa.com 1010 S. 48th Street Springdale, AR 72762 1-866-252-3811 Author: Scientific Astrophotography: How Amateurs Can Generate and Use Professional Imaging Data Remote Observatories for Amateur Astronomers: Using High-Powered Telescopes From Home Mark Slade Remote Observatory (MSRO) IAU MPC W54 Equipment Wilderness, VA Mounts: ES PMC-Eight G11 + Telescope Drive Master (TDM) Scopes: ES 165 FPL-53 ED APO CF, ES 102 FCD100 ED APO CF Cameras: QHY174M-GPS + FW, QHY163C Misc: 3-inch 0.7x Focal Reducer Field Flattener, Filters: Luminance, Red, V-band Photometric, Diffuser, 200 lpmm Spectral Grating Software: MaxIm DL 6, Cartes du Ciel, Astrometrica, AstroImageJ, AutoStakkert!
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Charles Botkin
Well I'm not planning on getting a small G-11 . I am getting a second Byres Series II that will be converted to GoTo.. From what I have seen the max current limit is 2A so I just need to choose a motor that is under that as to not pop a fuse. If I really want encoders I'm sure I could find some way to get that to read out on a computer/tablet/phone
On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 12:51:30 PM CST, Jerry Hubbell - Explore Scientific VP Engineering <jrh@...> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 01:34 PM, Robert Hoskin wrote: I would think that selling DIY PMC8 kits for refurbing select mounts from other mfrs, could be a good idea, down the road.Hi Bob, I can say a couple things about that, as I had the same view when I started this project 6 years ago. After numerous discussions with Scott Roberts over the years, as far as the business model that Explore Scientific has pursued in the past and our plans into the future, I can say that we have no plans to create any type of DIY kit to sell for people to retrofit other manufacturer's mounts. Being a small company, there currently is not a large enough market to sell DIY kits for the astronomical community. We will help those who wish to use their purchased systems for their own DIY projects though, and encourage this work. Our future business plan does not support the DIY market and are geared toward selling complete systems. The CGE PMC-Eight mount was an experiment to see what was involved with designing a retrofit drive system. We have it in service and the initial measurement of the native PE is very good at around 3 arcseconds RMS. Thanks Jerry Hubbell Vice President of Engineering Explore Scientific, LLC. jrh at explorescientific.com www.explorescientificusa.com 1010 S. 48th Street Springdale, AR 72762 1-866-252-3811 Author: Scientific Astrophotography: How Amateurs Can Generate and Use Professional Imaging Data Remote Observatories for Amateur Astronomers: Using High-Powered Telescopes From Home Mark Slade Remote Observatory (MSRO) IAU MPC W54 Equipment Wilderness, VA Mounts: ES PMC-Eight G11 + Telescope Drive Master (TDM) Scopes: ES 165 FPL-53 ED APO CF, ES 102 FCD100 ED APO CF Cameras: QHY174M-GPS + FW, QHY163C Misc: 3-inch 0.7x Focal Reducer Field Flattener, Filters: Luminance, Red, V-band Photometric, Diffuser, 200 lpmm Spectral Grating Software: MaxIm DL 6, Cartes du Ciel, Astrometrica, AstroImageJ, AutoStakkert!
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